5 Loaves & 2 Fishes

THE TIMES OF THE SIGN - Hello! My name is Bob Heaps, I was raised a Latter Day Saint, (Mormon) but today, I've converted to the Bahai Faith. Your interesting study to me just verifies my decision that God sprit was indeed upon the Earth in 1844. The exact time of the Coming of the Bab and Baha'u'llah, just as did John the Baptist and Jesus.

Today I beleive 1844 was the date when the "Last Days" began. Not only the upsurge of the new religions and political movments mentioned in you web page, "The Time of the Sign." But also the wounderfull inventions and technologies being invented took off. Example; McCormick invented and offered his repear for sale in 1834, and he sold none in that year, nor any for 6 years after. He sold Two (2) in 1840, Seven (7) in 1842, and Fifty (50) in 1844.

But the most significant invetion of the 19th Century was the Grandfather to the Internet. Where on May 23, 1844, the very same date that the Bab made his proclamation - Morris the Inventor, sent over telegraph lines the very first long distant message to the world. The message he sent was "see what God had wroght." (Wroght; put together). From that time forward the communication industry has exsploded. To me these are the real signs of the Times. Bob Heaps

Did we miss a vital prophetic date? - the very first sign of the last days, after which every other sign begins to count down?

Thanks Bob for taking the time to read my article. It was over 25 years ago when I was looking something up in a library that I noticed certain quite unrelated data converging back to the same date. My subsequent research kept throwing up the same pattern. Your observation about technology fits into the picture too. Interesting.

I have sometimes wondered if I was running down a bunny trail but one of the most important dates on the prophetic calendar seems to have been overlooked by the prophetic community because it is associated with a failed prediction that Christ would return. No, he did not return, even though millions of genuine Christians believed that he would.

So what actually DID HAPPEN in 1844?

This is not another weak apologetic for William Miller's false prophecy. Have a look at this link and say what you think. A curious coincidence, or a COUNTDOWN? Here it is:
http://5loaves2fishes.net/node/30

Chris
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I find your article on the date of 1844 very interesting but I think you're missing what it's actually all about. Why do all the dates line up for all religions, whether it be 1844, 1260 years, 42 months, 360 days, 33 years ,etc, etc? Maybe they are all true, in accordance with their collective (not individual) spiritual level, all supernatural connections to spiritual beliefs. With prayerfull study of the seven levels of heaven and the seven churches, we may find enlightenment. In the seven levels of heaven, I believe one is actually hell. Maybe we can catagorize every creationist religion into one of the seven churches. Maybe they are all true and that's why the dates work out according to each belief, maybe there is more than one heaven, hense different rewards (some maybe not so good)

The article is great, but I think that we should not try to narrow down a day. It is tempting of course, but our focus needs to be on the Christ and living for Him. "For no man knows the hour" is scritpure, the breath of God being true, for He is the light, the truth and the way. If we are prepared for His coming by loving obedience to a received Saviour, then it doesn't matter what day. I'm speaking pragmatically here, of course. Intellectually there is always curiousity.

I really appreciate all the work you have done. I like how you have grouped the Gnostics on one page for easy summary. Be blessed!

you make comment regarding different groups as to the evilness of their operation, but what banner do you follow.
Considering Jesus said, "no one knows when the time will come, only the father," therefore all this speculation is without meaning, he didn't say look for the clues
God is so pure and good and we are only human
God knows each heart better than the person who has that heart, only God will decide
We can only think of the most precious father and try to honor his character

I'm afraid that I find the above perspective particularly difficult to reconcile with the work that E.C.Gedge has done. The book that he has used as a basis for his interpretations - the Bible - clearly states that Jesus is "the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6). I agree his work is worth considering and should be the subject of intelligent discussion, but to suggest that these seven 'churches' are all truth when they each hold beliefs that contradict the writings Gedge has shown may predict them is not sensible. The Bible also records very clearly that there are two eternal destinations - heaven and hell. I do not believe that there is any support for a 'seven-level' heaven in the Bible. There seems to be a very severe twisting of information in the above post - why?

Hi Ichthus.
Thanks for reminding us of this verse. There are many different churches each with their own distinctives and variations. There are also many cults. But the thing that distinguishes between a true Church and a false cult is their belief concerning Christ.

So we cannot accept that "maybe they are all true." The basis for acceptance between Christians (even if from different churches) is that they believe that Jesus was the Christ – deity in human flesh. He and he alone, is "the way, the truth, and the life." Any belief system that does not acknowledge this is a cult.

Gideon

What has to happen in order for the first WOE to take place:


2. The Almighty Father has to declare the judgement of the world


but before that this has to happen first: and the emphazia is on "AGAIN"


11] And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy [b]again[/b] before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

Very interesting article... only one possible problem. You forgot that sinister organisation the YMCA... lol

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/1844

seriously though I think there's some merit to your theory, but would like to approach it a bit more scientifically, perhaps try other years and see if other such patterns would occasionly appear randomly... as an experiment.

Thanks for your sharing your ideas